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Episode #05: Sales Funnels VS Websites: When, What & Why


When does someone need a Website versus a Sales Funnel? And how do you know if you need both? In this episode Cathy shares a powerful metaphor that explains the differences between the two and how they fit in to your current business model.

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Hey everyone, this is Cathy Olson and welcome to the Secrets of Gorgeous Design Podcast. I was asked this question over the weekend. I attended an event and I was asked anytime I mentioned what I did or if I mentioned anything about a website or a sales page or a sales funnel, I basically got the same question over and over and over again, so I thought today I would answer this for you to just click kind of clear the air in case you’re not sure what the difference is between a website and a sales funnel. So let’s jump into this episode.

My name is Cathy Olson. I’m part of a group of entrepreneurs who are the founders and creative directors of their businesses who have a discerning eye and a ton of heart. If you ask those get rich quick types, they would say that pretty designed isn’t functional and doesn’t sell.

Yet. We are proving everyday that beautiful and thoughtful details do sell and in fact attract unstoppable beauty and wealth. We believe that we can have it all and that sales can be gorgeous. These are the secrets of gorgeous design and we are here to make creativity, lucrative, build gorgeous brands and sales funnels and to make the world of business a gorgeous place to be. So I was at an event where the people that were there were somewhat familiar with sales funnels, so it wasn’t like, you know, it was an event where I was like, wait, what, what’s a funnel like? It wasn’t like that. You’re right. Um, so some, most of the people actually kind of knew what a sales funnel was, but what the bigger question was, is what is the difference between a web site and a sales funnel? Like when do you need a website?

If you have a sales funnel and if you have a website, do you need a sales funnel? Right? Um, basically, do you need both? That was my big, the big question. Then everyone kept asking me and I kind of, you know, because I got asked that question so often, I sort of started to refine my answer every time it got asked. Um, and got it simpler and simpler. At first I was like, well, it depends. And then like I go off on this big long thing about, you know, my life story with web design and sales funnels, but then by the end it ended up being pretty short and so it’s kind of like I practice this message quite a few times this answer quite a few times so that I can deliver it to you today. So the biggest thing is obviously I think people know what a Web site does, but I don’t think that they recognize like how they fit together and the relationship.

So I want to kind of give you a metaphor about this and I think it’ll help you wrap your head around at least how I use websites and sales funnels. And um, again, I do both for our clients, for our high end clients. We do, um, high, high end custom web design, but then we also do high end and custom sales funnels and we and I, and I also have courses teaching both of those as well, but on a more diy capacity. Um, so really the web design, um, in the, in the website is your digital home. So I think you kind of already knew that, but um, I’d like to take it even a step further and I say the websites are like your, your storefront, they’re your, they’re your, like your, almost like your physical space, like a brick and mortar store, right?

Where people would come to visit you to see, to have them kind of, to get to know you. I mean there’s so many different reasons someone’s going to be on a website. And I talked to a little bit about in the last episode I talked about like the customer journey and how somebody would come in and, you know, uh, basically experience your brand right through your website. And it’s kind of what. It’s actually one of the things that I do in one of my courses in brand designer for a day. I have people create a brand board based on like if you had a physical space will look like so that they basically can go through some interior design, decorating tips and tricks and they pin it onto a pinterest board and figure out what it would look like if someone walks into their physical space.

And the reason I do that is because I think people have a trouble imagining things in the digital world versus the physical world and so I kind of take them to a physical place so that they can separate themselves from overthinking it is basically the reason I do that because I just think that people can pick up or design like an interior space a lot easier than they can kind of pick and choose on the digital space because as soon as you get into the digital space, it’s kind of like the sky’s the limit, right? There’s just anything as possible. Whereas I think if you bring yourself a little bit back down to earth and just say, okay, like what does this really look like in a physical space? And we know that we have constraints and we only have, you know, a 10 by 20 area, whatever, like whatever it is.

Right? Like, because a lot of times I talk about designing your office and it’s funny because how I came up with that whole concept of doing the brand room or like the digital or the physical kind of storefront type of deal was I actually, that’s what I did for, to come up with our own brand. I didn’t do it on purpose originally actually. Um, I wanted to design my office and so I hired an interior designer and she had me kind of create a brand board for it. So I did. And um, it was a direct reflection of my style and kind of who I would like want to actually meet in this physical space. Although I don’t meet anybody in my physical office anymore. I did back in the day, but I don’t anymore. Um, I, it was so cool because it was just a physical representation of all the things that were floating around in my head.

But it did give me the, the like constraints in order to figure out, okay, I need to figure out a basic palette color Palette. I needed to figure out a style, I need to figure out some textures and um, things like that. And so it really brought together the look and then it was so easy to create my design, my site after that and my new brand after that because I had this total physical go to guide right in front of me staring at me in the face. Right? Like print it out. Um, so because I did that for myself and I honestly, I didn’t get that from anybody else. I did it on accident. Like I said, I’m so, it’s something that I see that I put in basically every time I have my clients do it. Um, I have like all the workshops I teach at basically to have them do that because I’ve seen it time and time and time again.

It works really, really well for my clients and my students. So all that to say when you create this physical home, it’s so much more than that. I mean, it makes sense that it’s a brand that basically your brand is your digital home. Um, and again, why you kind of create that because people are experiencing it in the same way they would if they just walked into your store, right? Like maybe they don’t know anything about you and they’re kind of looking around and trying to gather some information. Same thing when they land on your website, they’re kind of looking around trying to gather some information about like, what are you about? Um, what are, what are your offerings? Just like if you walk into a store, you look around and say, okay, I’m seeing what all the things that they sell. I’m trying, I’m kind of getting an idea for the vibe.

I see what it smells like in here. I hear the music, I understand what they’re about. Same thing on a website, so a web website and a web design is really, it’s a branding position and it’s your, your physical home and you’re also going to bring all your traffic to it. So a lot of times people will have on their website, they’ll say like, oh, follow me on Instagram, follow me on facebook, whatever. But the problem is you’re actually sending people away from your site and they might never come back, they might go down the social media rabbit hole and never making their way back. So you always want it to be the opposite direction. That’s totally like another podcast for another day, but you always want to be pointing traffic to your, your digital home. So you always want to go from facebook or from instagram to your digital home.

That’s the only thing you, that you really control and that, uh, where you can kind of grab their email addresses and actually like start a sales conversation. So you always want traffic to be flowing that way. But again, it’s your permanent residence is like where you live. It’s where you’re always going to be. So on. So that is like a web design and a website, right? On the flip side, a sales page, how does, okay, how does the sales page fit into this brick and mortar shop that I’ve opened up? Well, a sales page I say, or I’d figured out this metaphor is like a salesperson at your store. So instead of, um, you know, basically just having your services or your products just like sitting out on a shelf, this is a salesperson, the salesperson is going to walk up to someone and start to start a sales conversation and with the goal of obviously closing the sale at the end.

So I love this metaphor and I totally just made it up when I was kind of answering this question over and over again, but I really love it because it’s totally everything that I’ve ever tried to explain. It’s a much easier way to say it because a sales page is kind of a, it’s almost a one to one conversation. So whereas someone goes to a website, it feels like you’re talking to everybody, a sales page, it feels like you’re just talking to one person. So it’s a very focused sales conversation and sales pages are, or and slash or sales funnels. I’m using them kind of interchangeably. Um, I will say, I’ll just take a step back and say a sales funnel is the entire process from start to finish. So, uh, the, you know, for the first kind of the first page where you’re taught either to have a free opt in or you’re actually selling the thing to them, ordering, go to the order form and then checking out and then kind of, that’s the funnel idea.

But a sales page is like the basic cornerstone. We call it the cornerstone page and funnel inside of funnel. Gorgeous. We call it the cornerstone page. Um, so the sales page is like the cornerstone page. It’s the cornerstone content, but again, sales pages are designed for to make those instant sales, uh, decisions. It’s meant to be a focused sales meeting, right? Like if you’re, if you’re a sales person were to walk up to somebody and start having a conversation, they’re having this one on one conversation to see, okay, let’s, let’s, let’s figure out who, what you need and let’s figure out what’s best of best fit for you. And I will say to this can act as a sales person in your business. A lot of times that’s kind of the idea of a sales page is that it can replace it. Not, I don’t want to replace like puts me out of a job or anything, you know, but it does replace the need sometimes for that person.

So sometimes a webinar would be sales, you know, in a, in a sales funnel. So the Webinar basically explains the whole whatever you’re trying to sell, whether it’s, you know, a service like maybe it’s like at the end they just say, hey, you know, apply to to, uh, to work with us and it’s an application type funnel or maybe it’s like a high end program that you’re trying to get them inside of ’em and they book have to book a call with you after. So it basically does like the first half of the sales conversation words explaining everything and then they go to like a real person basically. But Gosh, isn’t, that’s like totally a different situation than a website is right. A website is meant to be, you know, to go and to browse and look around and get a good idea of who you are.

Whereas a sales pages, that salesperson who has a specific conversation that they’re going to have that needs to end up in a sale or not needs to, but the goal is to end up in a sale, right? Um, or to end up, you know, filling out an application or to book another call or another meeting or something. Right. Um, so there’s kind of, it’s a very focused and it’s a, it’s a very linear process, right? Like it, you don’t bounce all around like you do with the website and a website. You might check out your home page and your about page and your services and your blog and read some blogs and you’re just, you’re just bouncing around. There’s a lot to navigate. Whereas the salesforce had, has no navigation. Um, it’s a forced navigation. So you have your step one, step two, step three or step four, but they don’t get to the next page until they finished the first page.

Um, and also the other differences that sales pages are read from top to bottom. I’m almost like a letter that they’re more of a foot because they’re more one to one. Um, they’re, they’re read as like a sales letter, right, like the old school sales that are, you’d get in the mail, which I don’t remember those because not that I wasn’t born then, but I just wasn’t as, I wasn’t at a marketing age, it was getting those direct sales letters, but I know I studied them now because they’re really important because nowadays, um, digital marketing is built on the way of sales letter used to work. But again, I digress. So basically that’s how you think about sales pages. Is there this like focus conversation from top to bottom or if it, if it’s actually a webinar and they’re watching a Webinar, it’s not from top to bottom, but it is from start to finish.

So they’re going to be watching it. I’m still in a linear fashion. As soon as they hit play, they’re going to get all, you know, all of your slides or what, however your presentation works from start to finish, they’re not going to be jumping around and it’s not like a choose your adventure type thing, right? It’s just from start to finish. And then there’s the offer. So there’s like a buildup on the story and so you basically say, okay, there’s, there’s a way to sell that to sell people things like just like you would in person, you have to start from, you know, like a warm place kind of building a rapport, getting them to understand that you know, that, you know, basically building that know, like, and trust and then you start to kind of dive into their question to their problem and then you start to reveal what the answer is and what your, what you, how you can fix it.

And then you open up the offer, you know, offer them, hey, here’s what I’ve got for you, what do you think? And then of course there’s some other things in there like scarcity and um, and trying to close the sale and all that stuff too. But you can see how they’re totally different from each other. And again, how they compliment each other. Like how they can kind of work together your, you wouldn’t, to be honest, I don’t think he would really want one or the other. I think that a really well rounded business has both because you wouldn’t just have a store that you opened the door and say come on in and browse. You would have a store come on and browse and then I’m going to ask you, you know, if you need some help in a minute, I’m going to try to sell you.

Right. So it’s Kinda like the that idea. So I hope that makes sense on, on the, the difference in focus and how they’re used differently, but also how they can compliment each other and they don’t really detract from each other either because some people would only have sales pages and if you only have us, our sales funnels, if you only have a funnel, you don’t actually have a digital home. There’s not like a home base. So that’s that. I would like in that too, like a door to door salesmen, right? Like where you’re just, if you don’t actually have a home base for people to visit, you’re just going door to door knocking on doors or maybe you’re cold calling, picking up phone calls and stuff like that. If you don’t actually have a place to live where they can come and check you out.

Um, so again, you might like come to someone’s door, knock on it and go, okay, I want to sell you this thing. And they’re like, okay, well I’m busy right now, but can I come back and see you in your storefront, uh, later? And you’re like, well no, I don’t have a storefront. And they’re like, you don’t. Okay. Like we’re kind of business. Are you right? It. So I love this metaphor because it really, really is truly like the difference between a website and a sales funnel. So hopefully that metaphor just really brought it home for you and it’s all making sense to you. So I do want to invite you guys, if you are interested in creating a sales funnel for your business, if you don’t have that sales person, right? If you have the sale storefront, but you don’t have the salesperson, I would love you to check out funnel.

Gorgeous. It’s one of our programs. It’s a program I created with Julius Doyon and we have created basically, there’s two different things. There’s the funnel, gorgeous, which is the basic, the kind of the offering and what it is is it’s a design course, it’s a, it’s a sales funnel design course that also includes the training wheels, which are the sales funnels, so it includes four basic sales funnels, like the base kind of funnels in different styles and then every and that actually, oh, only opens. I’m like once every few months to purchase. We don’t have it open all the time, so we have it open every once in a while. Um, and then we close it. The next time we’ll have it open. It’s black Friday for the. We’ll have it open for the four days. We’ll have a black Friday through sale for cyber Monday. But with that said we owe.

That’s like the base course which is called Funnel Gorgeous. But then every month we have what we call her a call funnel asset packs that we drop every month. And those are limited edition designs that you can purchase. And we only have those open again for four days as well. So right now actually just today we opened up the funnel handsome pack and that’s that first September’s pack and so if you do hear this within a few days you’ll be able to grab that funnel, Hanson Pack. If you had to funnel gorgeous.com, you can grab that funnel pack, but if otherwise you can wait for the next one. The next one is going to be November and that one’s going to be the. I’m sorry, October. What month is it? The next one’s going to be for October and that is going to be the mystic pack. It’s all super woo woo and like goddess kind of geometric theme. So I’m excited for that one to drop as well. And so you want to make sure that you get on the list. If you go to funnel gorgeous.com, get on the VIP list. You will be aware of when these drug, when they dropped. So when the limited edition designs drop, the funnel designs drop or when the actual funnel gorgeous course opens you will be the first to know. So thanks guys. I hope that was helpful and I appreciate you so much.

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Episode #04: How to Learn Strategy in Design


Designers nowadays also share in the task of selling a product or service. Designers used to very much be behind the scenes, but are finally sharing the limelight. Cathy shares her secrets on what she studied and how she learned to infuse strategy and sales principles into design.

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Hey everyone, this is Cathy Olson and welcome to the Secrets of Gorgeous Design Podcast. I am super thrilled to share this topic with you today. Um, and this is really kind of a, gosh, it’s like a teaching session, but it’s also like why do we need to learn this type session because it’s something that I talk about a lot on this podcast but I don’t really explain, haven’t really explained yet why it’s important for you to learn this. I kind of want to break down what you need to learn in order to shift into like high level, high thinking design, but also why the why behind it. Like why is, why have I picked this approach and why does this approach matter? Let’s jump into this episode.

My name is Cathy Olson. I’m part of a group of entrepreneurs who are the founders and creative directors of their businesses who have a discerning eye and a ton of heart.

If you ask those get rich quick types, they would say that pretty design isn’t functional and doesn’t sell. Yet. We are proving everyday that beautiful and thoughtful details do cells and in fact attract unstoppable beauty and wealth. We believe that we can have it all and that sales can be gorgeous. These are the secrets of gorgeous design and we are here to make creativity, lucrative, build gorgeous brands and sales funnels and to make the world of business a gorgeous place to be. I get that the world that I’m in now is so different than what, you know, like I was kind of raised in the design world that I was raised in. I have like a super odd upbringing. I feel like with design because I, I was exposed to it at a really young age. I had graphic designers in my family and um, when I grew up there, they’re basically, gosh, like nobody knew what graphic standards where it wasn’t kind of one of those normal jobs.

I’m in mostly probably because designers, we’re very much behind the scenes. They worked in agencies and no one ever heard of them. Right? I mean, of course we know that that madmen era where the ad ad agencies were king and it was like, you know, they were obviously people knew what marketing and ad people were I think, but just graphic designers or just kind of these like silent people behind the scenes that will do the design stuff and back then way back in the and you know, black and white days. I like to say no, just kidding. Um, but way back then I think that people had, you know, I guess because they didn’t have much of a voice because designers didn’t have much of a voice. Um, what they did was kind of a mystery. I, I distinctly remember telling people when I was younger that I wanted to be a designer, a graphic designer and people I had to seriously explain what that even was, where it, it sounds so ridiculous now because I feel like everybody, it’s just become so much more mainstream people and more people do it.

Like, Gosh, I mean I wouldn’t say a huge majority of the people that I know of, designers that I know just like colleagues, but also like in, in my, my chorus inspired pro are just self taught designer, so like people don’t even necessarily have to go to school for it anymore. People still do obviously, but a lot of times people don’t. So it was a 100 percent. You used to go to school for it, like there didn’t use to be any designers. I don’t think everybody I knew of one to school for it. But again it was few and far between, there was a very, it wasn’t a very saturated market so I don’t know historically kind of what changed that and why things did, but they did and it became something that people finally, I guess designers came out of the shadows and started being just more visible.

And so when that happened, you know, and people started freelancing and kind of pulling out from behind the, that huge shadow of a agency, right. That kind of agency life deal. They started to kind of put more hats, I guess wear more hats and I think that’s, this is also what happened with me. I think that when I, when I worked at a design studio, I was always encouraged to be very strategic and think about my purpose behind all my designs, but it wasn’t my job to go any further than that. It was basically my job to take what the client had told me and to translate it to design. And I still think that so, so many designers are doing right now and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. I’m not saying that like, Oh, if you’re doing it the way you’re doing it wrong, but I think that being a strategic designer is going to just bring in a whole other level of our craft and it just helps you become more well rounded.

And, and I’m not, I don’t even suggest that you become too far into the strategy game to where you’re wearing too many hats either because I don’t think you should be really awesome at it. I don’t think it’s easy to be awesome at everything, right? I’m not saying like, oh, it’d be a one man show and get everything done, you know, be the FB ad strategist and the logo designer and the, you know, I don’t want, I’m not saying that I think that you should be all the things, but I do think that there is a positive, a positive push or gain to be had when any designer learns sales principles and strategy principles. Even if it’s something that you don’t like, you try it and you hate it, that’s all. It’s all good, right? You don’t, you don’t have to be just like me and want to do this strategy, shadier stuff, but it’s cool to learn it and at least expose yourself to it.

And then that way you can make that decision. To see if you like it or not. And I feel almost the same way with coding, you know, a lot of people asked me do I need to be a coder to be a designer? And I’m like, oh my gosh, of course not. Like, this is the, they’re totally two different things, but if you’re anything like, if you’re like, if you’re weird like me, then you might enjoy it. And so I’ve always been, ever since I was a kid, I’ve always been a big test or you know, I would try stuff, see if I liked it, if I did like it, I would kind of try to fold it into the bigger picture. If I didn’t like it, I would never have to do it again. Right? So this, but this is really where I get into, this is where I stand out among the competition among leaders, right?

I’m always harping on this. It’s got to be strategic and gorgeous. If you aren’t doing the strategy stuff and you are just a designer, that’s totally okay. But if you really want to make a name for yourself and make your business amazing, then your, the, the product that you have has to be strategic and gorgeous. Whether you’re doing the strategy or not, the end result has to have this involved. Today I want to cover how to learn how to like basically how to make strategic design. They talk about, oh, it’s really important to be strategy strategic, you know, make sure you’re strategic, make sure you, you use sales principles. But I never, I haven’t really talked yet on this podcast about, okay, well Cath, how do you do that? How do you make strategic design? This is why I want to break down to you what I did in order to shift my design and actually put it into a place where it is strategic.

There’s three things I’m going to talk about today about how you can actually start doing this and how you can start learning this. And so the first thing that I want to teach you today on what to do to tattle on strategic design is to study sales principles. If you haven’t had, if you’re a totally from the design world or for totally from coming from an artistic standpoint, you probably haven’t looked much into sales principles and you don’t really understand how sales and marketing works. And so I think it’s really important, again, if you, if you’re going to offer this to your clients or not, I still think it’s important for you to learn. I think it’s one of those, it’s almost like if this was a college, a university, I would have sales principles as one of my prerequisites and have all my students learn, right?

Because it’s, gosh, it’s so important. It’s just so, so, so, so important to what you’re doing. Even though you’re creating something beautiful based on their identity, their identity is just so inextricably tied to the client that they’re selling to. Like I just don’t see how you can separate it. Now that I see it together, I don’t see how it can be separated ever again. What you want to do is, you know, it depends on what kind of learner you are, right? If you’re a visual learner, you know, study, you can study sales principles like via, like youtube or you can take courses on sales, how to close sales, right? Sales psychology, you know, pricing psychology, how to create an offer. One of my favorite absolute favorite people, sales funnel wise is Russell Brunson, from Clickfunnels and even though he is a software person he co-founded Clickfunnels.

He, his whole way, reason of life is to teach people sales and how to sell and offer. He teaches it in a really approachable way to I think is why I really love it. I just think that he kind of breaks it down into more of a form formulaic approach. I think that’s another reason why I was turned off as sales for so long is because, it felt like it needed to be. You just need to be talented or not. Like I, I’ve never been much of a, I don’t love confrontation with my personality type. And so I got fired from lots of jobs where I had to sell, sell to people, which is kind of funny now because I do so much sales now a days. And they, it, it works and I do sell really well now. But I didn’t use too, so I am living proof that sales does not have to be ingrained in you.

And I see the other side of it. My husband is a natural born salesman, like amazing. Shout out to Erik. He’s just so incredibly amazing what a great natural talent. But I never was that person. It’s funny that the things that he does, just instinctively just innately, he just does them already, are the things that you learn when you learn, when you study sales principles. If you’re a reader, you know, there’s lots and lots of books about closing deals, about, you know, setting up sales conversations, how to, how to close sales conversations, how to read people, you know, all that kinda stuff. There’s also on Audible, there’s tons of things in audible that you can check out. I would say if you are going in the sales funnel route to definitely check out Russell Brunson stuff, you know, the, his Dot Com Secrets and Expert Secrets are great places to start.

I don’t really want to say that’s where I started, but that’s it. It made a huge change and impact on me and it’s where I learned a lot about sales, but I can’t really pinpoint it to like specific books because I really just sort of immersed myself in it and I read lots and lots and lots of books and I’m still reading lots and lots and lots of books about sales and marketing so you can kind of pick which ones you want to go with. But again, just really learning the principles about how do you start a conversation with someone and that ends up in a sale. I mean that’s really like the point of, of what I kind of want you to do. And then the second thing is that you can do is to study and test usability. If, whether you are designing, you know, a brand or you’re designing packaging or you’re designing social media graphics or you’re designing a whole website, you really need to see how people use the content and how they kinda digest the content.

I’m actually testing things out. If you’re using, you know, different social media graphics. I mean, a lot of us are doing design for, for things that are going online, you want to test out if you’re doing like, you know, the old school graphics where people were seeing them like via print or magazines or stuff like that. You can still do this kind of testing through like kind of focus work, focus group work where you’re showing it to people and seeing their reaction and stuff. And which one do they prefer, which colors do they prefer? But really, you can do this in real life and actually test, obviously it’s pretty easy to do online. You can do split testing type of things. There’s also tools that you know, you can use for websites. There’s a tool called hot jar, h o, t j a r or sumo also does it appsumo you can kind of see what people are doing on your site where they’re clicking, how far they got down the page.

Where did they go from next? There’s actually saw some software that records people’s clicks to see where they’re going. Um, there’s other softwares that are like called a and b testing software. Even just like with an email email marketing, like if you’re doing some email marketing, you can see which headline did the best, um, between the two. Just just be become a student of learning about usability and preferences really. And just seeing what works because there’s just nothing you, you just, you will totally go in a place where you’re like, okay, this is totally gonna outperform the other one and then you’ll be surprised. I’m just be constantly learning about that. There also are um, lots of books and there’s some trainings and stuff online about how people use things. I will link in the show notes, I’ll link some actual links of some things that, that I’ve, that I’ve loved and books and stuff, but there’s lots, there’s a ton, there’s tons of tons and tons of places.

But again, I would, I would also suggest doing it in real in real time and checking out and seeing what people are using for your brand or for the or if you’re working for another brand who, to see who’s clicking what, where they’re clicking and all that kind of stuff. To just always be a student of that and, and testing how p, how people perceive things, how people use things. Did they understand it? Did they not understand it? Did it, did make it a button? Look this way? Did it, did it make, make it look confusing? Did they understand where to go next? Did they even see the button? Right. I’ve been over the past few years I’ve been really studying this and so I would suggest you do that as well because you learn a lot. The third thing is that you want to pay attention and map out user paths.

I know that sounds like really calm. Like what, what did she say? Winded? What did she say? I said pay attention and map out user paths. And what I mean by that is pay attention to how it’s kind of taking that last thing and taking it a step further about how, what some people call it, the customer journey. Mapping out the customer journey. Thinking about, okay, if someone’s coming to and you can see how anyone’s using something, right? But if a website is the easiest thing to explain and kind of understand, but when they’re coming to a website, maybe they’re not coming in the homepage, right? Coming to the homepage, maybe they’re finding you or your client through Pinterest. They came through a blog post and so it’s really important to map out and pay attention to each of those user paths.

Okay, they came in from here. Would they see all the things that we need them to see from this page? If they came to, you know, through a blog post, would they know what I did for a living? Right? Would they even know my actual offer or if they came through the homepage, would they. And they were totally like cold traffic, meaning they never had met me before. They never had any contact with my brand before. Would they understand what I was all about? Um, would they get overwhelmed where they know where to go? And then you can also kinda even take it a step further and say, okay, if I was in and have like a couple customer avatar types. It’s like you have, you know, you help like a, B and c of types of customers, you know, and they, and they’re looking for different things.

Customer A comes, can he see he or she see exactly where to go from here. Does she have a clear path to get to her, a side and kind of go all those places and then, you know, the b customer, do they know where to go to h, how, how quickly can they get helped and then the customer, how quickly can they get helped and do they understand it? Can they get to their, their area of the site. You really want to map out those user paths and be thinking about exactly where they’re going to go from here and we’ll all the steps are going to take. And so when you’re thinking about these kind of multi, multi entry points points, I guess like just have multiple entry points to be dealing with your brand or, or seeing your brand or seeing the site or using it or purchasing or whatever they’re doing.

You’re able to really strategize all of these. When you’re thinking about these three things, it makes it really easy to be strategic, right? Because you have it all mapped out. Now you know, you know the sales principles, you know exactly how you need to portray the story, you know what you need to talk about in order to convert someone from a browser to a buyer, right? You know what kind of words you need, you need, you know, what kind of story that you needed to tell. You know what kind of benefits and features you need to explain, right? You’re looking in the back end of what an offer is making the offer. You know how to make that right? But then you’re also. You’ve also studied how people use the thing that you’re using. Whether that’s a magazine or a pdf or social media graphic or a website, you understand what makes it easy to use, right?

Functionality wise. Okay, this is what makes a button really easy to find and this is how people are indicated that this is where the search engine, this is where the search bar is a okay, it’s really easy to check out because I have it laid out this way, right? Once you start setting that, then you’ll know exactly what the best ways to go are, the best ways to design it are. And then again, if you are paying attention and mapping out those user paths, now you know how to get somebody from a site into a site, sell them, get them squared away, they want to go and get them out so that they feel satisfied. They don’t leave, they tell their friends, they have a great experience. Overall you’re just studying all these little pieces behind the scene to really, really make your design stand out.

And Oh my gosh, like make your client like so impressed with you because you have thought through everything. And that’s what I think that, our clients really get wowed by is like, oh my gosh, I wouldn’t even have thought of that, you know, but they don’t even expect a designer to know this stuff. But then when I do know it, it’s like, oh my gosh, she’s amazing. Those are the three ways that you can start learning to be more strategic today. And it’s not a quick, easy fix or whatever is not something you’re going to learn overnight, but you just soak this information over time and you just become a better and better and better designer. Thanks guys. I hope that was helpful. I appreciate you so much. If you love this episode, would you hop over and give me a review now that it’s live? I would appreciate that so much and I will see you guys soon.

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Episode #03: When All Respect is Lost


Cathy walks through what to do when your design clients are disrespectful, rude or degrading, and how to fill your calendar with only amazing clients.

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Hello everyone, this is Cathy Olson and welcome to the Secrets of Gorgeous Design Podcast today. I’m excited to share with you on this topic because it is one of those taboo topics have not a lot of people are talking about and I think a lot of honestly, a lot of people don’t want to admit that this is happening to them and slash or I think people were just kind of letting this happen and it’s not okay, right? It’s one of those things that we need to do something about in order to elevate this whole industry that we’re in, so I can’t wait to share this with you, so let’s jump into this episode.

My name is Cathy Olson. I’m part of a group of entrepreneurs who are the founders and creative directors of their businesses who have a discerning eye and a ton of heart. If you ask those get rich quick types, they would say that pretty designed isn’t functional and doesn’t sell yet. We are proving everyday that beautiful and thoughtful details do sell and in fact attract unstoppable beauty and wealth. We believe that we can have it all and that sales can be gorgeous. These are the secrets of gorgeous design and we are here to make creativity, lucrative, build gorgeous brands and sales funnels and to make the world of business a gorgeous place to be.

Back in the day when I actually started, well before I started my business, I was a graphic designer for a long time for an agency. But before that or after that, I, when I first started my first entrepreneurial journey, when I first started my business, I was an invitation designer, so I basically was doing wedding invitations on the side so that I could pay for my wedding. I’m on the side of working for an agency or a design agency. We basically took any clients that I could possibly get at that point. I wasn’t charging very much. It was really inexpensive, but I was just kind of doing on the side. It had this like side hustle complex, right? Like didn’t really think what I was doing was worth that much. I didn’t charge enough. And one of the biggest mistakes I made in doing that that I quickly realized is that when you don’t charge a lot of money, you think that people are going to be appreciative, right?

It’s Kinda the opposite of what you think’s going to happen. You think people would be really appreciative that you’re so inexpensively priced and they’re just going to be, there’s just going to treat you like royalty because you’re doing them such a favor. Right? But it’s funny because it’s the actual opposite happens in the he our nightmare clients. And so for the Gosh, the first few years I have these type of clients that were just really not great and it’s not because they were great people, they just were a pain in the butt to work with and took me a while to figure out what this phenomena was because a lot of people experience and are experiencing this. But it took me a while to figure out why people do that. Like why are cheap clients, bad clients and why as started to charge more and more, why did my clients get better and better?

And I finally figured it out, and it’s really has to do with that. When you’re not charging enough you, your clients don’t trust you. It’s when, when you charge a certain amount, there becomes a kind of like, okay, I can leave them alone. Like they’re not, like on the, you know, they don’t have the training wheels on anymore. They know what they’re doing. I can kind of let go of the reins a little bit. It’s almost like a student driver who we see that sign on a car that says student driver. We’re like, oh, let’s see. Are they doing everything wrong? Where as if they didn’t have that sign, we wouldn’t be thinking anything of it. There’s this phenomenon that kind of happens and it’s one of those things you want to break out of as soon as possible because it makes life not in your business.

Not Very Fun. I got this question from a privately from one of my inspired pro students and they asked how, how do you deal with degrading customers? And it’s really sad because this happens really often and it’s like, you know, we’re doing everything we can, but our customers are not treating us with respect and they’re not tweeting for whatever reason. I don’t know for having it, you know, if having a communication breakdown or everything you send over is not good enough or they’re just being rude. And um, I will say that the better the clients I got, the more I charge, the more this improved, but it’s not enough. It’s not always enough. I will say automatically it probably starts to improve a ton and once you start charging more. But again, there are some customers that you know, your clients that you’ve booked and you know, what do you do now?

I just want to tackle that today. And obviously the first thing I would say that the, you want to charge more, the number one thing that you can do about degrading customers are rude customers or just in the less than ideal customers, even if they aren’t being super rude, is that to start charging more. It’s basically going to safeguard this from happening in the future as much as possible, as much as you possibly can. You know you want to. You really want it to make it so that you build this trust factor and that you want to be seen as the expert because as soon as that happens, they’re just going to let go of the reins a ton and they’re actually going to let you work and do what you do best and they’re going to believe you when you say, oh, I created this, or this is, this.

Design is amazing because they’re going to agree with you and say, Yep, you know what you’re talking about. I believe you. Versus you know, questioning every single thing you say because you’re too cheap. That is the first thing that you need to do before you do anything else because it’s a classic sign. If people, if especially if you’re getting a lot of rude clients, it’s a classic sign of you not charging enough. So that is the first thing that you have to do. That’s your first line of defense. The second thing you want to do is that you need to kind of step back. Let’s, so let’s say you are charging enough and you are getting kind of what you’re worth and you’re still having like this one client. So maybe the majority of your clients are great, but then you have this one client that or customer that’s degrading or just not respectful, um, or just not believing you are not trusting you.

Right? The thing I would do in that situation is that you need to do something dramatic to get on the same page. Sometimes it’s just a communication issue, like maybe something broke down in the project and you, they’re just not really, you’re not quite speaking the same language and you just need to get on the same page. Maybe they’re getting frustrated and they’re taking it out on you because maybe they’re there. Maybe they’re nervous, maybe they don’t know what’s going on. Maybe they just need a little handholding. I will step back and I’ll say, okay, let’s get on the same page. And a lot of times that’s just means hopping on the phone and talking through or maybe even meeting in person. Is that something that you can do and just getting human to human and getting on the same page and going, just kind of pulling back all of these like layers and, and uh, of stuff that’s happening between you and just go, look, what’s, what’s happening, what’s going on?

Like we’re, where are we at with this? Why is this happening? Are you confused? Can I help you with this? I hear that you’re frustrated, but what’s going on? Just really being heart to heart with them in pulling back the layers and just being like, let’s be honest with each other. What’s happening? Why is there something going on? And this is a like you write or something, something like that. If especially if I have some clients that will just totally flip on me, like they were really, really great and then all of a sudden out of nowhere they started getting degrading or, or rude or anything like that. That’s a big sign of something’s going on under the surface and we need to tackle that right away. Um, so that’s kind of what I’ll do there, but we just, we just need to count the same page.

And then really what you would do from there is once you’re kind of on the same page, you need to actually put your foot down and let them know that it’s not okay. That’s what I would actually go. Be really honest. Like, you know, I’m, I’m trying really hard. We’re on the same team here, you know, like we both want the same thing. We want you to have this gorgeous design. We want this amazing thing for you. Um, but we’re not, I’m not feeling the love, you know, like it’s, it seems like you’re frustrated and you’re upset or you’re not liking what we’re doing. Let’s get that. Let’s get, let’s fix this. Let’s turn this ship around and make this better. And a lot of times just just be like, you know, kind of calling it out saying basically saying, you know, in Nice, nicer words that you know, you’re being rude and this isn’t okay, this is not the way that things work in my sphere that is enough to usually kind of shake it up a little bit and go, Oh Gosh, I’m so sorry.

I didn’t even realize I was speaking to you like that. A lot of times just kind of calling it out and just saying, hey, is there something going on because this isn’t normal? Um, or in just kind of putting your foot down and saying like, this isn’t okay. You know, just kind of basically bringing the problem to light is enough for them to go, oh wow. You’re totally right. I’m so sorry. Like, I didn’t mean to do that. I’ve been going through a lot of times we get some apologies and some explanation about what they’ve been going through or something. Or maybe they’re just like, you know, I’m just really frustrated or, you know, or something I’m stressed out about this. Like, you know, people are human and things happen, so you just want to give him the benefit of the doubt on that one.

And then the after. That would be the second thing I would do, you know, to, to make sure let’s, let’s do some kind of a pow again on the same page and let them know that it’s not okay, the behavior’s not okay and that we’re on the same page and like let’s figure this out once you kind of, do you know, the, the mediation sort of way, if it’s still bad after that and they’re not really still not respectful or if they’re not following your protocol, or if they’re just straight up being rude, that’s when you have to get to like strike three and step three and that would be to actually fire the client. Sometimes I give, you know, like again, if it depends on our track record too, if they’ve been super nice and then all of a sudden it’s just gotten really bad.

I’ll do it. Like I said, number two, I’ll do the check in with them, see what’s going on. But then if it gets really far and they’re still that way, that’s when I’m like, okay, this is probably not the best situation. I don’t think we’re a good fit anymore for whatever reason, you know, if it’s a communication issue, if it’s that they just literally don’t like what you’re creating, maybe you’re just literally not on the same page. Whatever it is, it’s kind of time to like, okay, this isn’t working. And I think it’s very, very similar to any kind of a relationship where, you know, it’s not me, it’s you, it’s not you, it’s me, you know, that whole thing. But just being really disrespectful, like overly respectful of them because it’s really know. And I know that’s hard to do when people aren’t respecting you and they’re degrading you.

It’s very hard to be, you know, that that’s sweet and nice person. But, but you always have to do that, you know, you always want to come from the high ground and just kind of say, okay, you know, Gosh, you know, we talked about this. I let you know that this is, that this kind of behavior is basically not okay. You can’t treat me this way, right? Like, I, I don’t. I don’t think this is a good working relationship. I don’t think we’re a good fit for each other. So, and then that’s when you’d kind of go back to whatever your contract stated about canceling the working relationship and I would cite that and basically, you know, say, you know, we’re going to have to move on from here. Whether that’s giving them their money back or you know, sending them to someone to work with someone else or whatever that looks like to you obviously make sure that your contracts pretty solid before you start working with them.

Just in case this does happen, but that’s what it’d be like. That last step, if they, if they really kind of had that heart to heart with them, got on the same page and there’s still degrading you and treating you badly, it’s time to get out. It’s not one of those situations that usually improves after that. Like if you had to see how to talk and that it’s not improving. I don’t, I wouldn’t stick around too long as in the money is not worth it either because again, you know, it really is true though, that you’re not a good fit for them because if they’re frustrated, unhappy, not loving what you’re creating. I mean, you, you’re both unhappy, right? So they need someone else to write. So if all else fails, you’re not the designer for them either. So that’s kind of what I would do in that situation.

And you know what, that’d be the final step. But I think it’s a really important step and I think that, you know, when, when you, if you’re worried about the money, about losing the money, you have to understand like, okay, well my, what’s my peace of mind worth? Right? And how important is it that I am working with clients that love what I’m doing and that I love working for because it’s just not a good situation and it’s not going to create a great, gorgeous design. Right? When you’re working under duress like that, it’s not good for anybody, so it also will open you up for the opportunity to get a better client that will appreciate you and we’ll treat you right. It’s definitely not worth it to stick around in a bad relationship like that. Just like just like any relationship. Right? But this is a choice like you’re not even, you know, you’re not getting married to this person.

You have a choice for them to work with them. This is always like an at-will type of thing. You don’t have to work with anybody. You can always leave and if you can’t, obviously make sure that you can always leave. Make sure that’s in your contract. Those are the three things that I suggest for you to do that, that you, that you need to start doing if you’re not already doing, but if you are having an issue and you and you guys will know, like as soon as we start talking about this, if you start feeling that that pit of your stomach feeling like, oh, I know I need to fire this client, or I know I need to say something and I’m not saying it has to go all the way to firing. Definitely try. The second thing for us, try to get back on the same page on the first.

Try to mediate it out with them before you go to level three. You know, three strikes. I’m try to do that first and see if that helps and see because a lot of times that will, that will really just clear the whole air up and everything will get good after that and you’ll still be able to move forward with some amazing design. And taking those three steps always will help ensure that your calendar is full. Okay? Only on the most amazing clients that you can do amazing work for and create gorgeous things together. Thanks guys. I hope that was helpful and I’ll see you next time.

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Episode #02: The Secrets of Selling High-end Design


Making great money with design is not about raw talent alone. It’s about selling the high-end design. Cathy shares her secrets on how to sell high end design through consultations and on your website.

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Hello everyone, this is Cathy Olson and welcome to the Secrets of Gorgeous Design Podcast. Today’s topic is so good. I’m so excited to share this with you guys today and it’s one of those cornerstone pieces that everything kind of goes with and hits the whole idea of how do you sell high end design to people or and slash or how do you make your offers and how do you make your design more valuable to people because that’s really how you raise your prices, right? It has to become worth more. So this is a huge piece that a lot of people were kind of. It’s kind of a head scratcher and no one can see in. No one really can seem to figure this out and I get because he gets. I get this question asked so often, okay, how is this person charging this? And that person is charging that. Like what is the difference in how the heck are they doing that? That is what I’m going to uncover today for you guys. Let’s jump into this episode.

My name is Cathy Olson. I’m part of a group of entrepreneurs who are the founders and creative directors of their businesses who have a discerning eye and a ton of heart. If you ask those get rich quick types, they would say that pretty designed isn’t functional and doesn’t sell yet. We are proving everyday that beautiful and thoughtful details do sell and in fact attract unstoppable beauty and wealth. We believe that we can have it all and that sales can be gorgeous. These are the secrets of gorgeous design and we are here to make creativity, lucrative, build gorgeous brands and sales funnels, and to make the world of business a gorgeous place to be.

There is a huge misconception about talent these days and especially talent in design and being an artist, right? Because I think that people think that talent, that Bingo talented automatically equals that you make more money and the sad reality, I mean that’s Kinda the way it should be, right? Like the more than the heart of that someone works in the more talented than they are, that they should be the highest paid, but we kind of know that to not be true. Right? That’s like a youtube Utopian society that doesn’t exist, so really what, what does make people make more money? What, how do people charge more than the next guy and that is really, you know, kind of obviously, but sad to say that it’s through sales and because a lot of people that are talented or that have raw talent, they just don’t know how to actually run a business.

They don’t actually know how to command these higher prices and I will say obviously talent’s a huge part of it. I think you have to have both, just like you have to have the strategy and great design. You have to be good at sales and go to design. Right? And that’s one of the things that we really focus on inside my mastermind program, that inspired pro. We really focus on both because you can’t be successful without one or the other. If you are not a good designer or you’re not creating a great product, but you’re charging a lot, there’s gonna, you’re gonna have some issues there, right? With a B, basically people being unhappy because you’re not actually providing what you’re selling. And converse the, you know, in the same on the other side if you’re an amazing designer, which a lot of people that are listening to this and are in the industry right now, they’re amazing designers, but they just don’t have the business savvy and they don’t have the sales savvy to actually pull forth that message in order to actually make any great money.

They’re really talented and they’re doing great design and they are missing out. They’re missing the boat and they’re just not sure what they’re doing wrong. And guess what? I’m raising my hand because that was me for really, really long time. I knew, you know, I went to school for design. I’ve, Gosh, I’ve been a designer, like I was raised as a designer. You guys like I have done so much in my life. I was gonna say short life, but gosh, I’m like old now, haha. But I’ve done so much in my life that I should like was so early on it was Kinda like preemptive things. Like just the, the path that I went down, guys, I was doing crazy graphic design stuff when I was a kid and it’s just amazing that, you know, the path that I’ve been on, but now you know, like I’ve been on this business path for the last, I don’t know, whatever, five years plus I’ve been on this strategy and business side pass because I got, I got to be a great designer so early and so quickly.

I don’t want to say quickly I, that was a little over a long period of time, but because I was a great designer and I became known pretty quickly, it served me well, but I also wasn’t charging anywhere near what I should be charging because I had all this talent but I didn’t have the business savvy. I know firsthand what this is like. And it took me a long time to figure out how to finally charge what I want to charge. Because I mean, of course there’s always mindset issues that come with that. You know, about like, uh, especially women, I’ll say too, we have a harder time. I mean, Duh. The whole wage gap, right? We do employee make, what is it like 80 something cents to the dollar that a man does. A lot of it is our fault.

I mean, obviously some of it’s not our fault, but a lot of it’s our fault. We’re not, we don’t ask for raises, right? I mean, we don’t ask for as much money. It’s been proven that if there’s a female, I’m kind of at the helm, not, I don’t want to say it’s been proven because this is not scientific, but it’s been proven in my life that I have of designers and photographers and other creative people that I know of when they were by themselves, they charged a certain amount and then when they brought like if they retire their husband or whatever and they or their husband joined the team, all of a sudden they started charging more. They started making more money. It’s just one of those things that I’ve seen happen over and over and over again. We kind of have those things stacked against us a little bit as far as the mindset piece.

But with that, without, without that piece, right, without the mindset piece, like not even paying attention to that, like let’s pretend that we don’t have any issues with asking for money. How do we actually get the money? Right? It’s one thing to ask for a certain amount and raise her prices to a certain amount, but it’s another thing for people to actually buy it and actually fill our client calendar. That is really what I want to share with you and I’m going to show you, share with you three things that you can do really basically right now to start selling high end design and start booking and closing more high end designs. When I will say as just a little backstory, when I started doing this, I started doing this public a couple years ago, I would say, when I really started focusing on this new kind of system that I’ve developed.

And it worked a little too well at first. I’ve raised my prices significantly. But I started like, you know, really upping my sales game. And I just like, this was like my, what I really focused on for, for a few months to figure out this system. And then I figured it out and I got it, like rolling in. I kind of tested it and tweaked it and played with it a bunch. And then I got it to work so well that I overbooked our business. I was like, boom, boom, boom. It was like everyone was saying yes, it’s like I’d have a call and then it would close, then a call and then it closed, then a call and it goes. I was closing like nine out of 10 calls. And I was like, Oh crap, I didn’t expect that. Well, which I love about now because you know, it’s, you just don’t know what you know until it happens.

Right? I wasn’t anticipating that it would work so well, but that’s what I wanna share. The first thing that, the three things I want to talk about today is basically how to make your, your design more valuable or just, or just to kind of basically tell the story and tell them the message. Because your design is more valuable, what the problem is and this struggle that people have is actually explaining that to people and getting them to see it like they see it. That’s what you need to focus on. It’s not really about proving yourself or saying how long I’ve been a designer. Like no one really cares about you. Right? We’ve heard that before, but nobody really cares about your accolades or you know, your bachelors of Fine Arts degree. Like nobody cares about that. Right? Like nobody cares that I’ve been designing for 18 years or whatever.

Right. They really just care about what, what you can do for them. All of these three things are a very customer focused approach and what you can do for them and why it’s valuable to them. Because I could say, oh my gosh, you know, the Mona Lisa is worth this much money, but like I don’t want the Mona Lisa in my house so it’s not worth that much to me. When you’re talking about value based design, it has to be valuable to them and if it is valuable to them, if it is great offer and it is great deal, and they, they understand the value and they see the value, then they’re going to buy it. First thing you can do is to make you want to make research based decisions. And so what I mean by this is that you want to explain it.

Whether you’re [inaudible], there’s different ways to sell, right? Maybe you’re on the phone call a call with them and you’re actually explaining, here’s what I do and, and why, why it costs what it costs. Or maybe this is on a website webpage, maybe you’re actually selling from a sales page or your actual webpage. But either way you want them to understand that you’re making research based decisions on all of the design. It’s basically a scientific approach to design. That’s what I want you to do once you to take somewhat of a scientific approach and on and, and everything that you explain. One of the features that you agree explaining, explain that they’re based on not on a whim, what people think that design is based on a whim and you might go, you might know that it’s not, but they don’t know that it’s not.

That’s why this first thing, you really have to focus on that I’m making these decisions based on, you know, your, your ideal market, like it did just totally depends on what you’re selling, right? But let them know you’re making those decisions on that you’re making your decisions on like maybe past testing that you’ve done or research that you’ve done or maybe you’re making decisions based on your past experience, right? Your vast experience of what you’ve been through and you’ve and seeing how people react to certain things. And this could be like in the colors that you’re choosing. This could be in the fonts that you’re choosing, like anything, right? When you take the approach that I’m designing in a research based way and I’m making decisions based on like science basically, then they’re going to feel like it’s much more valuable and it’s going to be worth a lot more.

It’s going to last better and it’s going to because it’s going to be a better ROI on their part. All that to say that that’s why they care about this. That’s why they want to make sure that your decisions are backed by something because it will mean that it improves their bottom line, right? That’s not just guessing on a whim, like it’s professional. The second thing you want to do is you want to couple with things with strategy and w and slash or with testing to like Kinda like, like we were talking about on the first one, uh, doing research. But you want them to understand that everything you’re doing that you’re gonna be creating for them or everything that you offer is based on strategy. And it’s not, again, not just not like on a whim, but actually it’s based on strategy, on what you’re creating for them for the future.

Too, so you want to be thinking about and kind of explaining about what their strategy and what and what their goals are. Thinking about when we create for a client, we’re not just creating some really pretty design, we’re creating predesigned that has a great foundation that’s actually going to boost sales or boost conversions or there’s a strategy behind it or maybe it’s a growing your audience. Maybe they want to grow their following, so everything that you’re going to be kind of selling to them, you want to flip it around and say based because you want to do this thing right? Kind of like a goal based thing because you want to fill in the blank, grow your following, right? Whatever it is, we are going to create it, create this in this way because this grows or you know, like you’re following or whatever like that.

So because you want blank, we do blank. So because you want to stand out from the competition, we are going to design something that is cutting edge and you really unique and way more high end than anything else in your industry. Something like that. Right? And there’s kind of off the top of my head. But when you left, when you couple it with the strategy based decisions and and the solutions, then it’s like, okay, wow. I get it. Like everything’s thought through. It’s well planned. Everything is in place for a specific reason and it’s not just, you know, because it looks cool, right? That’s the whole thing. Nobody wants to design because it looks cool because we all know that that’s like flash in the pan. We want design decisions that are coupled with the strategy and that we’re gonna, you know, make sure that is created for a specific purpose.

And the last thing that you want to start doing right now, whether that is in your sales calls or in your website or anywhere where you’re trying to sell high end design, you have to infuse the fact that you care about their success. And I think that this is something so simple and it’s like, well, well, okay, I get, I get it. I, I of course I care. But no, I mean you need to let them know that you are personally invested in their success. This is the difference between, you know, going to McDonald’s and having a personal chef come to your house, right? Like you need to care about all of that. That this is the highest level of service they can get that you care if they say yes or no, right? Sometimes people, I think we’d just throw off, you know, proposals and be like, oh, well let’s see what, see what sticks.

No, you need to care. You need to follow up with them. You need to start following them on social media, right? Like we just, we need to be personally invested in their success in their company. And that is the difference between high end design and not high end design is that we are partnering up. I’m a partner with you in this. We are, we are on the same team. We are going to build this amazing thing that we’re looking for, like I’m a part of this with you. You’re hiring me like as a part of your team. They need to feel that they need to like it needs to. The caring and the love needs to be physically felt from them, that you care about them, that you care about their success, that they’re not just the number, that they’re not just gonna basically be just, hey, we’re gonna work together and they’ll never see you again.

Like they need to know that you’re building relationship and our friendship and that you care about creating really incredible and amazing design for them. That is one of the. If you don’t have a, if you don’t have that, then all of these other things fall flat. Then you’re just selling, right? You’re just selling booking them and getting out of the out the door. But this is what really makes the difference on, you know, high end design is that is this partnership. It’s not, you’re not just a number. It matters to me. It matters to me that we care about your success. You know? And so that’s why all these other things also matter to they, they all go together, you know, you want to make research based decisions on their clients and specific basically making it very custom for them. You want to make sure that you’re making strategic decisions, you know, cold goal based solutions because you want this, we’re going to do this.

And then you want to let them know ultimately you just, you do these things because you care so much and you care about their success and you care about creating the most amazing version of what you’re going to be. What were you going to be creating for them and with them. So those are the three things that you can start doing today that will help you start closing these specifically, you know, whether it’s on your website or through or you do phone calls or whatever. But that’s how you make it more valuable. You make it so that it gets a return on investment, that it’s, you’re, you’re, it’s customized just to fit them and that you care about them every step of the way. So thanks guys. I hope that was helpful. I appreciate you so much.

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Episode #01: The Simplest Trick to Gorgeous + Strategic Design


Cathy shares her secret trick to making it easy to create design that is BOTH strategic and gorgeous. The best of both worlds.

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Hey everyone, this is Cathy Olson and a welcome to the Secrets of Gorgeous Design Podcast. I am so, so, so excited about today’s topic because it is something that, oh my gosh, so many people need to hear. Um, and I think that it’s one of those things where people have the ones that have figured this out or not telling anybody else. It’s a very juicy, juicy, juicy topic and introduce juicy secret and I’m probably actually going to get some mean messages, social media saying why did you tell everybody that that’s like our big secret. I swear like this is a big one. Um, so I can’t wait to pull back the curtain and spill the juicy beans with yet. Let’s jump into this episode.

My name is Cathy Olson. I’m part of a group of entrepreneurs who are the founders and creative directors of their businesses who have a discerning eye and a ton of heart. If you ask those get rich quick types, they would say that pretty designed isn’t functional and doesn’t sell. Yet. We are proving everyday that beautiful and thoughtful details do sell and in fact attract unstoppable beauty and wealth. We believe that we can have it all and that sales can be gorgeous. These are the secrets of gorgeous design and we are here to make creativity, lucrative, build gorgeous brands and sales funnels, and to make the world of business a gorgeous place to be.

Let’s start this off by saying that if you have been listening to me at all in the past, gosh, I don’t know, six months at least, um, you kind of know that I really harp on this idea of the design has to be both beautiful and strategic and it can’t be one or the other if it’s just beautiful but not strategic. It’s a wasted money, wasted time, wasted space to be honest. Or if it’s only strategic but it’s ugly, it’s gonna, you know, you’re gonna lose your credibility and you’re gonna basically leave a lot of money on the table. Basically, you’re able to charge as much as you want to. So that’s really, really important to have these two pieces that are in concert that work together. But the problem is, gosh, this is a hard thing to do. It’s actually a really difficult thing to do, to be both gorgeous and strategic and hello, that’s the whole reason I created this podcast, but, um, you know, to share this with people.

But I think the reason it’s so hard is because it is so hard to do and I feel like I cracked the code on why it’s so hard because I struggled with this for so long. So I definitely came from the design world. I have a bachelor of fine arts and design, went to school for it, did the whole thing, the whole college thing. Um, I worked as a professional designer in several places and I, that’s, we really weren’t taught strategy to be totally honest in, in college. It’s all about design principles and the look and the feel and the brand, right? Like what are we actually trying to portray by the brand, but the marketing side and the strategy side is a different profession altogether. Um, and it’s funny because even in college when I, we basically had, we took some advertising classes and took some marketing classes, but they, it’s a, it’s like you kind of went one way or the other and you either, you know, started taking these media classes in these press kind of type classes.

Um, and then you would be either a designer or you would be a media like marketing person and you would sort of like head off on your little Mary Marketing Way and the designer people would head off on their design way and we would never see each other. And that’s exactly how it happened and in college. But I think that even now, right? And so the problem, and I think that the reason we struggle with this is it’s because we’re really left brained and right brained. I think the strategy side, although it definitely takes creativity, it uses a lot of that kind of computation. Figuring things out, putting pieces together, organization. I’m seeing the big picture. It’s just very, it’s very left brained. And I’m going to say that loosely because I know it’s probably not technically love rain because I know it’s creative, but I’m just going to say it’s a certain part of your brain.

I’m just gonna call the left for now. And then of course the design side is very like artistic and very inspirational and very just like moody and just how do we feel about things that will get in touch with our emotions are right. It’s a very right brain and actually it’s kind of masculine and feminine as well. I would say that’s probably why a lot more marketing peeps are, you know, um, male, it’s kind of a male dominated career. And then I wouldn’t say that design is a female dominated career by any stretch of the imagination, but the, you know, the really emotional storytelling, um, you know, just kind of get in touch with like how do we feel right now is, is a, is a very feminine trait. The problem is that you have these kind of two sides of these two pieces and they just kind of don’t speak to each other.

They’re sort of different people and the problem with that is it’s cool. Of course you can have sets of people do this, you know, obviously there’s agencies where people two different people do it, but what I think makes you a killer pike powerhouse and what is so cool about nowadays is if you can do both, you’re just a bad mother. Shut your mouth, like you’re amazing. Um, if you can do both, and that’s where I think the secret sauce is and, and, and the, the awesomeness. And I think that although you can have separate, you know, uh, professions and that you can either be a marketer or a designer. Again, I think that you’re this boom, Shaka Laka powerhouse if you can do both. ZThat is what I want to talk about today and how to do it because I don’t think it’s actually as hard as people think it is.

I think people think that it’s like you’re either good at or not, but I don’t think that’s the case. I think there’s actually a way. Actually, I know that there’s a way that you can do both of these things. But what the secret is is in separating them and doing them separately, because the struggle comes in when you try to do them both at the same time, your brain doesn’t know what, which way is up, which way is down, what are we doing? Are we left branding? Are we right branding? What’s happening? I’m so confused. I’m exhausted. I’m done. Right? I kind of developed this approach over time because I wanted to start charging more and I wanted to do start doing more of the strategy and because I was learning the business side, I thought, gosh, why is this not a bigger part of what I do?

I understand the strategy and I understand this marketing and understand the sales, but why I’m. Why is this not a part of one of my traditional background and what I had learned. I just started melding them together in any way that I could. But I got really exhausted. I discovered this I guess on accident, but basically that I just had for my brain, I had to do these totally separately. And it was because when I was trying to shove them together and do them at the same time, I was just getting exhausted and burned out and I just didn’t want to do it anymore. Then I realized when I separated the task it made it so much easier and actually gave me my brain in that space to breathe and understand and just fully go there. Like if I’m in that left brain sales and marketing brain, just go, just, just, just, just run, running the field of sales and marketing.

Right? And then when I was in that really right brain inspired zone, just like fly and just, you know, get super creative and go for it, right? Because they separated them, I was able to really soar and just fill in those spaces as much as possible. I want to tell you three things that you can do today in order for you to just kill it at both, at the sales and marketing and the design side. And just have this like really cool synergy of the two together. The first thing is that I do my left brain tasks first or left brain, like I said, just loosely, is basically the strategy side. When I do all my planning and my kind of type a’s stuff first and I find that I, if I do that stuff, it’s very kind of methodical and doesn’t take a lot of.

It does take creativity, but it’s easier for me to just kind of go through a checklist of things. It’s just, it’s just very linear, right? When you have your strategy, you can write it all the pieces you’ve got all your life. If you get your sticky notes or something, you know, write everything on sticky notes. You can move stuff around. It’s very modular and you don’t. You can just get started. There’s not, you don’t get like too much in your head when it like when you get to design stuff you can get really in your head and not really sure and it can kind of get designer block and all that stuff. But when you’re doing the very left brain kind of compartmentalizing all the pieces together, it’s easier to just get started. I always start there and also because I’m planning, I’m literally doing the strategy right?

Like I need the strategy and need it laid out before I get to the design or else it just falls flat and it’s, there’s no depth there. That’s the first thing you want to always start off with the left brain tasks and just, it also gives you no excuses to delay or procrastinate because you literally have the pieces right there. You have everything you need to get started. There’s no writer’s block designer’s blog, right? There’s no creative block. You have all the pieces there, you just need to put them together. It’s just like taking all the puzzle pieces, putting them together, working out the strategy. And if you guys have seen my website, like strategy packages that I do with my clients, that’s where this all comes from. We do this whole roadmap and we do a whole state architecture before we even get into any of the design.

We think about who are our clients, what are we trying to say to them? How are we selling to them? How are we different? We’re thinking they’re in the narrative and so that’s what I want you to do. I want you to do all of this left brain planning stuff first. Get a huge like you know, like yeah, just like a blueprint of all the things you’re going to build with and just remove all of that creative, creative, artistic like stuff that’s up for debate. Subjective stuff, right? Just remove it all, do it very black and white skeleton boxes and get that left side brain strategy out there and done. And then once you have that done, you have the building blocks. Now, now all you have to do is your second thing and that’s make it pretty. Now you, once you have all that strategy, you can just switch over to your right brain and do all the amazing, cool and fun design stuff.

And you don’t have to think about any of the strategy at that point because you’ve already thought of it. You already know who your people are, you already know what they like, you already know what your story is, you already know what your angle is, right? And you already know the mood, you already know the field, you know, you know it’s all taken care of, and all of that strategy is all laid out for you and you just get to be creative. You just get to be an artist and it’s so much more fun when you don’t have to think about any of that left brain stuff because you’ve already done that. You’ve already done like the math homework right now. You get to do the fun creative writing side, right? That’s kind of what I think about. And so that is how it makes it much easier.

And then the other thing that I wanted to say, the second thing is switching back and forth, um, when you do it that way, it’s exhausting to your brain. So what’s so cool about separating this is that you’re actually putting your, you’re, you’re using your brain in two separate ways at two different times, but you’re also saving that willpower because when you’re, every time you switch your brain from left to right, left to right, left to right, left to right, it gets exhausting because you’re kind of changing gears. It’s likes, it’s like slam on your brakes and then starting your engine again and you’re like burning all that fuel over and over and over and over again and you’re going to run out of steam much like quicker than you would if you were doing them separately. And it also gives you a fresh perspective because then you get to see it the next day.

Or do you know at basically whenever you picked the project back up again and you get to see it with fresh eyes and so you’re not just going back and forth, back and forth, back and forth are going to be way more. It’s kind of like, like not multitasking, right? It’s Kinda like mono tasking and actually separate, but you’re separating the type of tasks so that you’re doing like tasks with task and then your brain doesn’t get so exhausted and you have more willpower and you’re able to get to get through your project with fresh, a fresh mind and a fresh perspective. And the third thing is the reason that this was a really great way to do it. Um, and something that I would always suggest basically from now on, don’t ever do, don’t ever not do this from now on, um, is because you’re making, you’re making sure it’s strategic.

Because when you take this time to separate these items out, do the strategy and then do the design. You’re making sure the strategy actually gets done, but you’re also making sure that the design is strategic design. So instead of trying to do, be strategic as you’re designing and thinking through all those little pieces, kind of in the back of your mind, you’re actually already have that foundation laid and you can make sure that your design isn’t just pretty. That’s the big thing, right? Because you’ve laid this foundation of strategy ahead of time, now we can really do some fun things. We can just kinda go and just get free and do some awesome stuff that nobody’s ever seen before, but it’s not like crazy stuff that nobody’s ever seen before. Right? It’s going to be stuff that is still strategic. It’s still going to help.

It’s still gonna help sell and it’s still going to move the needle forward because we’ve already done that step. So that’s what makes it really, really important to do these separately because you know it’s done, you know, it’s crossed off the list, you know, it’s going to be awesome and you know, it’s actually going to help either your business or your client’s business move and make more money and do all the things they want to do and actually share their, you’re the genius with the world because you know, there’s that strategy behind it and that it’s not just some shallow design that’s going to fall flat in, you know, next week, right? That it has that low, like really strong foundation. Those are the three reasons you want to separate out your task and how you do this, how you make something street, both strategic and gorgeous is you separate them out, you give your brain that time to reflect and just fully dive in to the left and then fully dive into the right and then kind of come together and it just gives your brain that time to, you know, really reflect and to be separate and actually just do its thing and just mono task right and not to have to, you know, have any excuses not to get started or to have you will help you not get overwhelmed, right?

And it’ll help you have that willpower will have to switch back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, and then you’ll make sure that there’s a strong foundation and that it is strategic design so that you can make something super incredible. That’s both strategic and gorgeous. Thanks guys. I hope that was helpful. I appreciate you so much and I’ll see you on the next one.

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